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New Details in Fatal Lake Forest Stabbings

Alleged killer Justin Tombleson threw a punch and then was pummeled before pulling out a knife and killing two men, detective says at preliminary court hearing. The judge rules there is enough evidence to proceed with the case.

 

After a wild brawl in which he allegedly stabbed and killed two Mission Viejo men last June, a battered Justin Alvin Maseo Tombleson slept with his girlfriend until 8 a.m., then browsed a local swap meet with her and her parents.

These and other new details were revealed at a preliminary court hearing held Wednesday morning in Santa Ana. After listening to testimony, Judge Eddie Thomas Keller ruled there was enough evidence for the case against Tombleson to move forward.

Tombleson, a Lake Forest resident, is accused of using a pocket knife in the early hours of June 11 to mortally wound Rancho Santa Margarita hockey coach Elvis Kechechian, who died at the scene, and Hossain Saidian, who died a few days later, in the parking lot of an all-night Mexican restaurant.

For Tombleson, the night began around 10:30 p.m. June 10 at Rudy's Pub & Grill in Foothill Ranch, where he was socializing with his girlfriend and four other friends, according the lead detective on the case, Orange County Sheriff's Department homicide investigator Kimberly Milewski.

Sometime before 2 a.m., Tombleson's girlfriend and her two female friends drove to Rockfield Boulevard to visit the 24-hour eatery, Albatros, for a late-night snack. As the trio stood in line, a man later identified as Kechechian began to call Tombleson's girlfriend derogatory names as she spoke with her boyfriend on the phone, Milewski said.

The three women began arguing with Kechechian and another man—later identified as Kechechian's brother, Aris—who the women said were both acting angrily and agressively, the investigator said Wednesday. 

As the argument intensified, Aris Kechechian spat once on Tombleson's girlfriend, then twice at one of her friends. Other customers got involved and the incident turned into an all-out brawl, witnesses told Milewski.

After restaurant employees broke up the fight, a witness heard Tombleson's girlfriend ask him on the phone to come to her assistance, and within minutes saw him running up to her, then over to Kechechian's group—now standing in the parking lot near a red BMW.

Milewski testified that a witness saw Tombleson throw a punch at Aris Kechechian. In return, he was punched, knocked to the ground and kicked before making it back to his feet.

Tombleson's girlfriend told Milewski she left with her friends after seeing Tombleson return to a standing position.

It was then that the witness said Tombleson allegedly pulled a knife from the right-side pocket of his cargo shorts and stabbed Kechechian, then Saidian, using the same wide swinging motion to push the knife into their sides, one after another.

A witness said the knife hitting the men made a loud, noticeable thud, Milewski said.

Tombleson's girlfriend told Milewski in an interview soon after the stabbings that Tombleson returned that night to the house in Lake Forest where she was spending the night and that they slept until about 8 a.m. before heading north to meet her parents to browse a swap meet in Fountain Valley, her hometown.

Her boyfriend had a wound to his upper lip, scratches on his forehead and scuffed-up knees when he met her at a friend's residence in Lake Forest that night, the girlfriend told Milewski.

Tombleson's girlfriend said she didn't find out Tombleson had killed anyone until she saw news reports of two stabbings at Albatros and Tombleson told her he had done it, and was sorry.

Tombleson has pleaded not guilty to the murder charges, telling the court that he acted in self-defense.

Public defender Huy Nguyen is defending Tombleson against the murder charges; Orange County Senior Deputy District Attorney Steve McGreevy is prosecuting.

Tombleson, who remains behind bars on $2-million bail, will next appear in court on Feb. 21.

Related Topics: Albatros Lake Forest, Elvis Kechechian, Hossain Saidian, Justin Tombleson, and Justin Tombleson Court

Tennickly

9:02 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012

This guy is so done. Walking up to a group of people and throwing a punch is not self-defense regardless of what preceded it.

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Dick Jones

3:32 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

I imagine you cowering in a corner while a group of drunken males are spitting on your girlfriend.

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J Supports

11:30 am on Monday, February 13, 2012

The punch was not self defense. The need to pull out a knife while being "pummeled" was self defense.

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Tennickly

8:59 am on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

@Dick Jones - you are a funny guy.

Mercury

9:31 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012

I'm really surprised they didn't charge Tombelson's girlfriend as an accomplice or accessory to the murders. It really sounds like they started the whole thing.

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Sam Felsenfeld

10:26 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012

Well, that's different than what we were hearing in the summer. Still wouldn't call Tombleson an innocent angel in this whole thing, but it doesn't seem like it was as much of an overreaction as I originally thought. It also doesn't seem like he went there looking for trouble. I haven't been in a fight in 25 years, but if I got a call from my wife that men were calling her derogatory names and spitting on her and a brawl broke out, I'd probably be down there with a knife, too.

I'm no lawyer, but I'd suspect nobody is really going to dispute the facts of the case ... it's all just going to come down to what the law allows him to do in the heat of that situation. I doubt he ends up with the maximum sentence, but who knows? Nobody should ever lose their life the way those two did, but at the same time, I learned from my dad when I was young not to disrespect women, spit on people or get in fights. What a shame — totally preventable situation.

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ms.sc.

12:49 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012

I agree with your comment Sam. I think judgement will also look into his past history and violence. Doesn't sound like any were innocent here. Dying for being rude, drunken, spitting jerks still is not justified.

J.P.

3:11 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

This is such a sad story. What a complete waste.

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Dick Jones

3:30 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Well, he won't get off with a slap of the wrist, at the same time probably won't get the worst sentence possible. At least this article isn't painting the two victims as saints like previous articles. They didn't deserve to die, but you start spitting on anybody let alone women, bad things will happen.

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a

6:46 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

It is interesting how the story has changed so much already. Let’s remember this article is mostly based off of Erica's interview. "Tombleson's girlfriend told Milewski in an interview soon after the stabbings..."

Most likely they came up with a story to protect Erica and Tombleson's other accomplice (his brother?).

No one was an angel that night, but statements like: "As the trio stood in line, a man later identified as Kechechian began to call Tombleson's girlfriend derogatory names as she spoke with her boyfriend on the phone." It just shows how skewed the info is that they are letting out right now. If you knew Elvis you will see right through the lie. Of course Erica tells the story that some loud drunk guys just came up and started cussing her out and spitting. Just ridiculous.

It is also worth noting Justin's supporters now coming to reality that he will spend the rest of his existence in a cell.

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J Supports

11:24 am on Monday, February 13, 2012

Naming names that aren't publicly released under the moniker "a" is a little cowardly.

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J Supports

11:31 am on Monday, February 13, 2012

This article is more likely based off of Justin's court appearance last week, and not a 7 month old interview. And it wasn't just his girlfriend that said Aris was belligerent and out of line. The witnesses confirmed it.

a

3:56 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

The inaccuracy lies in the quote "As the trio stood in line, a man later identified as Kechechian began to call Tombleson's girlfriend derogatory names as she spoke with her boyfriend on the phone." It is Elvis who I am defending, it is not a believable statement. Erica's interview is a big part of this article. Her statements are biased.

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jp benito

5:22 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

these people who are trying to defend this elvis guy r ridiculous..go look up his record adn look how he acted that night...its all his brother arias fault..he now has to live with the guilt that he is the reason his brother is dead...

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ms.sc.

7:21 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

This story is heartbreaking, stupid, arrogant and should be a lesson to us all. First of all, life is precious, we should all know that...we never know when our time is up. I was not present so, just relying on Patch reports, I am finding all involved to be at fault. Certainly no one should have been killed for being drunk, rude, arrogant...but we need to consider all those involved. I think the patrons of the restaurant and the employees are the best witnesses to this horrific night that was meant to be a fun evening. Ego's and vanity are deadly in this story.

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lookforward

12:36 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

If you can review the known facts logically you will identify little value in the 'interview' or testimony thus far. Of course those statements are biased and likely inaccurate. Those statements are attempting to argue a not guilty plea. Likely little value in those comments. Logically thinking how many times have you seen a group of men enter an establishment and begin spitting on woman without being provoked? Its simply not logical, so what happen prior to that? Was it verbal? Was it physical? In this case spitting could be provoking verbal, or could be defusing physical.

Showing up to an altercation with a deadly weapon will be difficult to defend, and easy to prosecute. That is logical, and a quick review of case histories will conclude that.

A character review will be made during the trial and depict both the victims history and the accused history. The criminal record for assault, which I believe to have been reported as factual from the PD in the summer will also play a big role. I will leave it to the reader to deduce who that criminal record goes with in this tragic story. Its also expected and logical. A tragedy all around.

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Sam Felsenfeld

3:21 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

The statements in this article are actually coming from the lead investigator, who is trying to get a conviction, and with the number of witnesses, certainly the testimony being used as evidence is coming from unbiased folks because certainly there were enough of them. You think the DA is going to base his case off the testimony of Aris? On the contrary, you think the defense attorney is going to base his case off the testimony of the girlfriend?

Sure does seem Tombleson is a rough dude and has done despicable things in the past, but to me, the only thing that would matter is what actually happened that night. Along the lines of your "logically thinking," I can't think of any kind of situation where I'd spit in a woman's face. That's as disrespectful as you can get and it's intended to provoke. The women might well have been doing something inappropriate, but I can't think of any hypothetical that would make spitting in their face acceptable.

Unsurprisingly, a brawl broke out at that point and then it went outside. My guess is it's going to come down how far away Tombleson was from the two men he stabbed as well as the women and how the situation was evolving. It was a heated situation, something Tombleson had no role in starting, but he reacted to the intensity of it. It's going to come down to what the law allows in that situation. Oh, and I don't see any problem with him having a knife on him. Right to bear arms.

Ellin

8:38 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

It's interesting how there are only few people that seem to believe Justin was innocent and come to his defense. And for jp benito instead of you taking about Elvis's past why don't we talk about Justin's past. Elvis didn't harm anyone in his entire life. What he did in the past has nothing to do with the incident that happened but having read Justin's past he was so capable of doing what he did. And you need to stop with this bull shit story of Justin self defensing himself. If he was attacked by three guys he would have not had a the chance to take two innocents life. I pray that he will get what he deserves. Elvis would have never disrespected a woman and if he did i am most certain there was a reason for it. He was a very loving guy and his life being wasted is very sad and it makes me more sad that there are still some useless people out there that are nothing but a waste of energy.

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Fact finder

9:00 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Elvis didn't disrespect a woman. It was his brother aris who spit on them. Justin was jumped by Elvis, Aris, and the two other men they were with after he confronted the group for spitting on his girlfriend. Those are all facts not biased opinion based on the investigation.

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Fact finder

9:09 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Also, it was a pocket knife, not a machete, if Justin's intent was to go to albatross and stab people don't you think he would have walked up to them and started waving the knife around. He walked up and punched aris, the one who spit. I can't seem to wrap my head around the fact that it was ok for 4 men to jump Justin. I personally know someone who was jumped and died as a result from their injuries. I do believe that Justin was defending himself. Unfortunately 2 lives were lost. How different everyone's perspective would have been if the 4 drunk guys who were already being aggressive inside the restaurant by starting a brawl woul have beaten Justin to death. No ones past had anything to do with the situation that night.

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J Supports

10:38 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

It is a tragedy that 2 men did not walk away from this altercation. I personally stand behind Justin 100%. He is lucky that he was practicing his right to bear arms or he would have been "pummeled" to death by the 4 others. Just because his family, friends and supporters aren't voicing all of their opinions on this article, does not mean they are not standing behind him. Regarding this incident, he acted in a way any protective boyfriend would. It was the other side that began the unfair fight of 4 on 1. Other participants should be held responsible, but perhaps causing their brother's demise was punishment enough.
Justin did the right thing afterward by turning himself in and accepting responsibility for his actions. He will continue to be supported until he is home.

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Ellin

1:20 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

We may have lost Elvis but he is resting in peace but let me tell you Justin will be resting in jail for the rest of his life and he will be known as a killer and that would be his punishment and the people that support his actions. Elvis will always be remembered for the person he was, loving, positive and respectful. AT the end that is what matters. Nothing will bring Elvis back and that is unfortunate that he is not here with us and people like Justin are still out on the street.

NothingToSeeHere

8:56 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Nothing new to see here. The facts of the night have pretty much stayed the same. Verbal fight inside led to spitting. Elvis and crew go outside. Justin (who was also not alone or did we forget those wintess reports already?) decides to start a fight and when it didn't go his way he went the cowardly route and pulled out a knife. He is a coward and will rot in prison.

Also glad to see that after he stabbed 2 people he went home, went to sleep next to his heifer then hit the swap meet the next morning with her parents. I wonder if his girl hadnt seen it on the news if he would have turned himself in...

Oh and Ms. Maxwell stop with all the conjecture. You have already stated you were not there that night so stop making sweeping generalizations and assuming things that you have no PROOF of happening. You just look like a fool..

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Wow

12:43 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Justin's girlfriend started the whole thing by not having any class. Guys don't spit on girls for no reason. She most definitely started the fight, as trashy women often do, because they think they have immunity as a woman to do whatever they want and get away with it. And fights happen, but there's no need for weapons. Or killing people. This guy killed two people and had only scratches on him. He should definitely get the maximum sentence.

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Wow

12:48 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

And Justin lost his attorney and has a public defender. Nobody in the professional community even wants to defend such a low life. The DA will lock him up and throw away the key. A public defender doesn't stand a chance. They don't get paid very much and have hundreds of other cases to do at the same time. It doesn't even matter what happened. All that matters is the end result. Justin is a double murderer. That's really hard to defend against no matter what happened. And with a public defender? Forget it. The dude is going to be taking it in the rear for the rest of his life.

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mfriedrich

4:09 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

When you're intoxicated your judgement is impaired. Alcohol turns adults into oversized children. Verbally arguing with women and spitting on patrons in a restaurant at 2:00 a.m.? What the hell? Yeah, sounds like drunkedness to me.

What a colossal waste of human life. And for what? Because some inconsiderate wench and her friends cut in line to order some food?

Had these men just ignored that transgression, waited to order their own food and walked away, they'd still be living today.

Conversely, intentionally spitting on a person is considered assault in California. Had that dumb broad and her friends simply called 911 instead, all of those dolts would have all been arrested and prosecuted.

But no, thanks to the redeeming qualities of irresponsible social drinking and human stupidity, two people are now dead forever and one more has reservations for life in prison.

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ms.sc.

4:44 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Thank you for your post. I agree 100%. Out of the many posts published on this, I have to say your post, mfriedrich said it best. I appreciate your input.

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