Investigators located charred human remains within the debris of a burned out cabin in Big Bear tonight, the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department announced.
Identification of whether the remains are those of fired Los Angeles police officer Christopher Jordan Dorner -- suspected in the slayings of four people -- will be attempted through forensic means, according to the department.
The 33-year-old Dorner -- the subject of a six-day manhunt -- allegedly committed a carjacking, then shot and killed a sheriff's deputy in a raging gun battle while barricaded in a cabin that caught fire shortly before 4:30 p.m.
The fire burned for several hours, delaying the entry of law enforcement personnel. Another complication was that investigators believed there was live ammunition in the cabin, according to San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Cindy Bachman.
Bachman did not mention Dorner's name in her final briefing of the night, which began around 8:35 p.m.
When asked whether someone was inside the burned cabin, she responded, "We believe that someone was inside and that was the person who stole the vehicle and fled, then abandoned the vehicle, ran into the forest and inside this cabin where he barricaded himself and was engaged in gunfire with our deputy sheriff, shot two of our deputy sheriffs and one of those deputies died."
Bachman earlier said investigators had reason to believe the person holed up in the cabin was Dorner. By about 6:30 p.m., multiple media outlets reported that a body believed to be Dorner had been recovered inside the burned- out cabin, although law enforcement officials had not confirmed the discovery.
"Any reports of a body being found are not true," LAPD Cmdr. Andy Smith said around 8 p.m. "Any reports of that body being identified as Christopher Dorner are not true."
The fiery scene culminated a wild day of violence in the normally tranquil mountain community, which has been the focus of the Dorner manhunt since his pickup truck was found burning in the area last Thursday.
But at 12:20 p.m., San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies received a report of a man matching Dorner's description stealing a car from a cabin in the 1200 block of Club View Drive in Big Bear.
According to various reports from the scene, two female housekeepers had gone into the cabin and found someone matching Dorner's description inside. The suspect tied the women up and fled in their vehicle, according to witnesses and sheriff's officials.
The women were not injured. It was unclear how long the suspect may have been hiding in the cabin, which was ironically located close to the law enforcement command post that had been established during the Dorner manhunt.
The stolen vehicle was spotted a short time later along Highway 38 by a state Fish and Wildlife officer who had been taking part in the hunt, according to the sheriff's department and the state agency. The officer followed the vehicle and the suspect opened fire, striking the pursuing officer's vehicle, according to Fish and Wildlife. The officer was not injured.
Authorities said the suspect got out of the vehicle and fled on foot. A witness told KCAL9 the suspect later emerged from the woods and carjacked a man driving a silver pickup truck. The suspect drove off in the truck, but later crashed it down a forest embankment.
With an army of law enforcement in pursuit, the suspect scampered into the nearby cabin, sparking a gunfight that -- according to some reports from the scene -- involved the firing of hundreds of rounds.
During the battle, two San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies were shot. Both were airlifted to Loma Linda University Medical Center, where one was pronounced dead at 2:24 p.m., according to Bachman.
The other deputy underwent surgery and medical personnel are optimistic about his recovery, but it is believed several additional surgeries will be required, Bachman said.
Meanwhile, the standoff at the cabin continued, but shortly after 4 p.m., tear gas canisters were fired into the building.
By about 4:20 p.m., the cabin was engulfed in flames. Some reports indicated that a single gunshot was heard emanating from the cabin. KCAL9, which had a reporter close to the cabin during the firefight, reported that the sound of exploding ammunition could be heard inside the cabin as the fire raged.
On Feb. 3, Dorner -- also a former Navy lieutenant -- allegedly gunned down the daughter and future son-in-law of an ex-police captain who represented him at a hearing that resulted in his dismissal from the LAPD. The bodies of 28- year-old Cal State Fullerton assistant women's basketball coach Monica Quan and her fiance, 27-year-old USC public safety officer Keith Lawrence, were found in Lawrence's car in the parking structure of their Irvine condominium building.
The next day, Dorner, 33, allegedly posted a 6,000-word manifesto on Facebook, vowing to kill named LAPD officers and their families. About 50 Los Angeles police officers and their families were being protected during the manhunt, authorities said.
On Thursday, Dorner was allegedly involved in a shootout with Los Angeles police guarding an officer's home in Corona, leaving one officer with a graze wound to the head, police said. About 20 minutes later, he allegedly fired on a pair of Riverside police officers stopped at a red light, killing Officer Michael Crain, 34, and wounding the other. The wounded officer was expected to recover.
Crain, an 11-year department veteran, was a former Marine. He is survived by his wife, Regina, and two children, Ian, 10, and Kaitlyn, 4. Crain left "an unforgettable impression" on everyone he met, Riverside police Lt. Guy Toussaint said. His funeral is set for Wednesday.
The search for Dorner has been focused in the Big Bear area since Thursday afternoon, when his pickup truck -- apparently disabled by a broken axle -- was found burning in a wooded area.
During an afternoon briefing today in downtown Los Angeles, LAPD Cmdr. Andy Smith said investigators were following up on 1,045 tips received by the department -- most generated after a $1 million reward for information leading to Dorner's capture and conviction was announced Sunday.
-- City News Service and Staff reports
I guess those cops had to get back to their warm donut shops ASAP. He(Dorner) was not going anywhere in that cabin. Limited ammo, no food, no heat. Why the rush??? Why? Because they had a hard-on to kill him. Lets burn him to death and make a martyr out of him. We have the fire truck here, but hey, lets break of the marshmallows instead. TOTALLY disgusted by how this was handled.
There are mixed report on the outcome. 1 report said he might have gotten away, although that sure seems unlikely assuming they were doing their jobs. A friend who is in the area heard that they found him dead inside but I have not seen any reports of whether he is or isn't or whether he might have escaped. He also in his manifesto indicated he did not expect to survive which sounds like he may have expected to go out in a gunfight. Or if he knew he was surrounded & had already tried to escape & couldn't, he may have decided to end it. We'll have to wait & see. I certainly hope he didn't escape to possibly kill more people.
Glad that it finally seems to be over.
Do NOT arm Liberals!
FBI was in control...Local law enforcement did a great job assisting...top security folks from around the country praised all efforts to end it--and they did. Just curious, what would you have done differently to end it faster (4 days from when they read his manifesto announcing he was the killer)? Just curious considering how so many people today expect immediate results from complex cases like this.
I'm surprised that the search dogs didn't pick up Dorner's scent in the air! hah. Maybe they all had colds or something. Dorner should have had some donuts delivered to the command post as a gesture of good will.
Please post your source. Every news agency report I have read states the six tear gas grenades started the fire that killed him. Who keeps gasoline in their rental cabins? Answer: NOBODY! Tear gas is a common fire starter. It is well documented... http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/City-Terrace-Standoff-SWAT-Police-187102151.html http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2001-05-30/news/0105300347_1_gas-canisters-police-dog-fire http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-highly-incendiary-hot-gas-used-on-cabin.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wz0sUHbXx0 If the police used gasoline to burn him out that is basically worse! That is murder. Please get your facts correct before posting.
One way or the other, Dorner was not coming out of that situation alive. That was likely decided long before they confronted him in the woods yesterday.
Don't laugh. Eventually they will. It's just a matter of time. That's the direction America is moving. Especially with KIng Obama in the White House who uses the US Constitution as toilet paper.
The military is great if you want marshal law and got a hard on to destroy 3 city blocks! Seven oaks would basically be a smoking crater if they called in the military. It would be another Pat Tillman X 10. A killing field of innocent people. NO THANK YOU!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/13/timeline-events-leading-up-to-discovery-human-remains-in-fugitive-ex-cop/
And if Dorner had been the REAL EVIL cold-blooded murderer that many made him out to be, why didn't he murder the 2 maids or murder the man that he stole the truck from? He let all of them live. And they were the ones who reportedly turned him in after he let them live. This proves that his vengeance was directed only towards the cops. Yes, he seemingly murdered Monica Quan and her finance which was a very wrong thing to do. But he did it because Monica Quan was related to the LAPD captain who Dorner claimed in his manifesto betrayed him. Naturally, that was NO justification to murder Monica Quan and I feel very bad for her and her fiance. But Dorner was not after civilians, he was out to hurt people who allegedly wrongfully terminated him from his livelihood and stole his identity. Men don't go on rampages like that for no reason. Dorner was pushed over the edge by something that was done to him. And Dorner was fired for something that most cops only get a written reprimand for. That is what lit the fuse on this tragedy. Yet few will admit it.
The FBI WAS NOT IN CONTROL OF ANY OF THIS. It happened WAY to fast. You have it TOTALLY backwards! If you bothered reading the morning papers and posts, it was the San Bernardino County Sheriffs department that ran the operation start to finish. They were assisted by our law enforcement agencies (F&G, CHP, City Police/SWAT). The sheriff deputies where the ones that got shot. They get the collar. I hope the cleaning people get the million dollars. The LAPD will probably take back their reward claiming the F&G found him.
He was also civil to the last guy he hijacked the truck from. Seems they should have used plain clothed cops to catch him. Uniformed anything set him off. "Rick Heltebrake, 61, told TODAY on Wednesday that he was driving near the Boy Scout camp he operates when a heavily armed man he recognized as Dorner, 33, crawled out of the woods, pointing a rifle at him. He said the hulking former Navy reservist was wearing camouflage and a ballistics vest and told Heltebrake, “I don’t want to hurt you.” “He was dressed for action,” Heltebrake said. Dorner commandeered his car, but let the man and his dog to go, according to Heltebrake. Shortly after Dorner sped off, Heltebrake heard gunshots." Seems Dorner is not a very good driver in the snow. Crashed or destroyed three cars. How do you break an axle on a Titan pickup truck on a graded forest road is a mystery.
This proves MY POINT that Dorner felt wronged by a certain group of people and was not a man bent on destroying humanity. Many people are missing that point!
My only point is that something must have happened to Dorner to make him go off the deep end. People just don't do that for no reason. Especially people with clean backgrounds and no criminal history. Somebody must have really wronged him. I think there's a darn good chance he snitched that cop off and LAPD turned him into the 'bad guy' for it and fired him. Chances are Dorner didn't file a false report. But even if he did cops are generally not fired for that offense. Cops have been involved in serious DUI injury accidents in their own government vehicles and convicted of DUI with grave bodily injury, sentenced to jail w/ lawsuits of nearly $5M and not been fired. And I can prove it. So why would they fire a cop for allegedly filing a false report? That's bunk. LAPD was out to get Dorner for snitching off a fellow cop, a mortal sin in the police ranks. That's why the police business is so dirty. Because they all cover for one another. They are assigned to enforce the laws yet look the other way when one of their own commits a crime. Really dirty and corrupted. And whoever fired Dorner should be ashamed. He (they) lit the fuse that resulted in this tragedy.
The one thing they all have in common is that they were sociopaths who felt no empathy for anyone else besides themselves.
I don't defend any of them or what they did. Most of these completely loony tunes. But you will never see the US government declare a 'war on mental illness' because it would be too expensive. So they let them sleep under bridges and in doorways in the cold of night and catch pneumonia and call it 'freedom'. hah! What a laugh that is. The columbine kids were pretty much gang members. Period. The Sandy Hook kid was a mental basketcase who was not getting the treatment he needed. Chris Dorner seemed to be egregiously wronged for snitching off another cop, thus losing his job and livelihood as a result. That would make any human being extremely angry. Did any of it justify murder? Of course not. But the outrage is perfectly understandable. All humans have different level of tolerance for outrage. And all humans deal with their outrage differently. Chris Doner took the wrong route for sure. But I understand his outrage, as should any other human being who looks at this situation objectively.
His case against the LAP was heard at a board of rights which he lost, then he sues the LAPD in superior court LOST the courts upheld the LAPD decission. Then he went to the appellate court where his case was heard and the courts ruled with the LAPD's decission. Sometimes in life things dont always go your way and you just have to accept that you may not be suitable for everything or in this case every job you want. So Dorner is obvisouly a criminal and probably never should have been hired in the 1st place. Ive never thought about killing anyone because things did not go my way or the way I wanted it to be. BURN IN HELL Dorner and anyone that condones his behaviors.
I see your statement coming from ignorance. Dorner had no criminal history. He had a top secret security clearance until LAPD took it away from him. He was a naval officer until his LAPD termination ruined that. After passing all the LAPD tests, background checks, lie boxes and psych exams LAPD hired him as a police office, a job he retained for 4 years. Obviously, a man who accomplished these things in life does not all the sudden go on a murderous rampage without something liting his fuse. But apparently you don't have the intellect to figure that out. "His case against the LAP was heard at a board of rights which he lost, then he sues the LAPD in superior court LOST the courts upheld the LAPD decission." The courts did not say that they disbelieved Dorner. They only said that he did not prove his case by a preponderance of evidence. That's all. And naturally, all the other cops testified against him since he accused another cop of 'abuse under the color of authority'. Cops normally protect other cops, even when they commit wrongdoings. Dorner snitched off another cop. A cardinal sin in law enforcement. That was his problem. Normally cops are not fired for simply falsifying a report. Cops don't get fired for being found guilty of civil liberty violations in Federal courts for God sakes! hah! So you're full of the, The Beast. You name speaks for itself.