LAKE FOREST, CA -- Former classmates of Christopher Jordan Dorner recall an act of rebellion at Kennedy High School that gave insights into a personality now considered lethal.
On Facebook, one former classmate asked in amazement: “Is that the guy who flipped off Coach … during the game?”
Several classmates replied: “Yes.”
Friday, a clinical psychologist at George Washington University Medical Center in Washington, D.C., confirmed the anger his classmates saw more than a decade ago.
“You see a very fine line between homicide and suicide here—narcissism and depression are highly correlated,” said Dr. Alan J. Lipman, the psychologist, and founder of the Center for the Study of Violence.
“You usually see them together. ...It wouldn’t surprise me if he kills himself.
“The other possibility is that he puts himself in a situation where he can be seen and caught—not because he wants to be stopped but because he wants to be seen and to confront his accusers.”
The ex-Navy, ex-LAPD officer wanted for the slayings of three people and an all-out assault on Southern California law enforcement is probably an extremely thin-skinned, narcissistic depressive as likely to kill himself as he is to be caught, said Lipman.
Dorner’s 11-page manifesto is a fairly coherent text that spells out his extreme rage and delusions of grandeur.
“In the manifesto, the terms that are repeated over and over again indicate that he is completely enraged and enraged at what he regards as the injustice of his firing and, most importantly as he sees it, how it has destroyed his name. And that is intolerable to him,” Lipman said.
“He describes himself as having been depressed for a number of years and sees himself as destroyed and unlikely to live through this episode. This is a person hopeless about life, hopeless and envisioning vengeance and going out in a blaze of glory.
“We have seen this before in cases such as Columbine.”
Someone with this degree of narcissism has likely always been highly sensitive to perceived slights as reflected in his manifesto, which alludes to ‘injustices’ going back to his childhood, Lipman said in a phone interview.
Dorner spent his childhood in La Palma, where he attended Walker Junior High and John F. Kennedy High School.
When contacted, several former classmates asked that their names not be published for fear of retaliation from Dorner.
Dorner was a football player on Kennedy’s Fighting Irish varsity team.
One classmate recalled Dorner’s tense relationship with the then-coach that ended with his removal from the team. Classmates say he had a reputation for being confrontational.
Most reacted with shock when they discovered their connection to the suspect.
According to his manifesto, Dorner’s life unraveled when he was fired from the LAPD in 2008 for making false statements against another officer.
According to Dorner, the proceedings that led to his 2008 firing from the police force were rigged against him.
He goes into detail about how his complaint against a fellow officer—now a sergeant—alleging brutality against a detainee resulted in his being the target of retaliation by superiors.
“I’ve lost a relationship with my mother and sister because of the LAPD,” he wrote. “I’ve lost a relationship with close friends because of the LAPD.
“In essence, I’ve lost everything because the LAPD took my name and knew I was innocent. ... The attacks will stop when the [Los Angeles Police] Department states the truth about my innocence.”
This idea that he could clear his name by going on a killing spree illustrates just how delusional Dorner has become, Lipman said.
“You can see he has delusions of grandeur. He envisions that he is going to change the entire course of justice and the moral code of the LAPD,” Lipman said.
If Dorner is still alive, his mind is likely a battlefield in which rage, guilt and attraction to media attention war with one another, Lipman said.
I don't despise any certain group of people. I just despise deceit, corruption and injustice. And when I see it.....regardless of which group practices it......I'll go after them. That's what I do. I know you don't like it. But that's tough. It matters not to me what you like or dislike. I will continue to shout the truth and if it causes you some pain, then perhaps you need to do a little introspection and ask yourself why? And if you want to call me names, fine, I have no problem with that. That is your right. I served America to defend your right. So sound off, partner. It's called 'freedom' and I promote it!!! I approve this message.
Jerome, are you talking to me, JustUs? You posted your reply to me so I must assume that you are. If you are you need some training in reading comprehension. I suggest you go back and read my comment again. If you still don't understand it let me know I will try to dumb it down. Deal?
hah. Thanks for your amateur psychatric eval there, Sigmund. Was it free or should I send you a donut in the mail? heh. And you really oughta look into expatriating to North Korea. I bet you'd be a nice fit. The new pre-pubescent dictator over there needs more people over who think like you do. People who follow brainless orders on command! Like Pavlov's dog! heh. I bet you would be a quick riser in their heirarchy and get to eat the best Kimchi in the land. heh. It was fun, DesertBoy. Have a good day!
Enea, DesertBoy's idea of a 'teamplayer' is someone inside an organization who sees injustice or even criminal activity and turns a blind eye to it. That's how I interpreted it. Those who think like that are really no better than the Germans who smelled burning flesh in the air eminating from a nearby camp and kept their mouths shut. We here in America are supposed to be better than that.
I would appreciate posts dummbered down a large amount for this ole 53 yr old lady please. Thank you. :P~~~
My thoughts exactly as I said in an earlier post. JustUs made fun of my post but its true. IF you have someone who is just built to go against the grain in a large group it is nothing but drama and high school stuff, and then insubordination. Sure you take each of their complaints, or whines to notice, and it goes up the proper ladders but eventually after doing so for so long thats it, bottom line, he is just someone who will not fit in, and not be able to do the proper job because of his mind being only on HIS issues instead of the task at hand, policing.
Pretty much what the "shrinks" are saying in news now about him. That would be seeing himself narcissitic and grandiose, which reflects in every single thing Dorner has written thus far, or said at one time. You of course have first hand experience of him which gives a better light to what is really in his head about his own ego and arrogant self. So many in the military and the police departments but not all of them go overboard like this. That is why I wonder how in the world no one, not one supervisor within the Navy or the LAPD picked up on it. Or possibly when they did and approached him he could wind a good story and like you said they were wrong, he was right. Thanks for responding Bobby, I appreciate it and to get a first hand opinion on this guy.
Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder could be put to him, but now its real simple, Cold Blooded Murderer.
You're in denial too, Bobby. Dorner accused other cops of criminal acts, which may very possibly had been true. In fact, the court ruling said that it could not eliminate the possibility that there were crimes committed by other officers, but that Dorner simply could not meet the burden of proof required to make his case. That is VERY different from saying that Dorner made it all up. You have closed mind and you protect the cops, when there is cause to believe that Dorner was telling the truth and the others were lying. In fact, Chief Beck, LAPD, has reopened to the case to examine it. If he was convinced Dorner was in the wrong he would NEVER reopen the case. Open your mind.
Because he wasn't that crazy. He was very functional. And he was probably telling the truth in much of his manifesto. But those in denial would automatically discount what he said. But something pushed him over the edge. Something enraged him. And normally people don't become enraged when they are accountable for for some action. They become enraged when the are telling the truth and the system screws them over for telling the truth to protect someone else. That causes rage. But none of you will acknowledge that because you are in denial. All of you have already closed our minds.
dude, give it a rest already...that's not how i think. you suffer from delusional paranoia and need help in the worst way. good luck
If they found paperwork in his broken vehicle that was substantial enough for the Chief to "reopen" the case don't you think that Dorner would have submitted way back in 2008 when his case began or sometime during the hearing? Why leave valuable proof of what he was fighting in this hearing, in which he knew his job was in jeopardy, out of it for 5 years? Then leave it readily available to be seen in his car AFTER he has went on this rampage? I mean if I was fighting for my integrity. my job I sure would not leave this valuable proof in my car, it would have been in the hearing the first day. This is with my mind very open.
My mind is open and obviously he has anger issues, perhaps all along to the point of rage issues. Someone can also become enraged when all the lies are umcovered and they are found out for what they really are and the facade they created over so many years is broken down. I have seen many a man especially in the last 10 years with the wild economy do just this while loosing everything, continuing to live in the big houses, big cars, perfect wives still shopping Rodeo, yaugts etc. and then the bomb drops. He sees his self in such a grandiose manner that to take any of that away, or for people to find out he is all hot air could have been an enraging moment obviously.
Actually this is now FACT on the last two. Do you read the papers or live in a cave? Let us blow the bong resin out from between your ears. The LAPD shot up a truck with two women bystanders in it minding their own business. Both are wounded and both most likely suing for tens of millions. The Torrance police also did the same to a guy going surfing and he also has a lawyer that is preparing heavy legal action.
Sounds like you are the one with major issues! Who cares WHAT party he is in or likes. He is a killer who is VERY VERY mad and still out there hunting people. I here he voted for Bush and wanted the Republican Jon Huntsman for president. Under your INSANE twisted logic we should let him go because he wanted a republican pres. You gun loving anti government tea baggers must be having a brain hemorrhage right about now. What are we??? Anti Gov or anti black, anti Gov or anti black, anti Gov or anti black? We can guess which side you are taking on this. Gets some help. For starters stop getting spoon fed by Faux news. And role up the rebel flags!
It is now a no win for LAPD. They WILL have to cover up any wrong doings against Dorner if they find any. If they do find he was fired for not "playing ball" with what was going on, they will get sued by many for pushing him over the edge. The chief will probably resign. And they will make Dorner a SUPER martyr.
You are kidding right? You know how much money they(LAPD,Feds) would spend to find him and protect the marked cops and cop families. The LAPD will never stop looking. They need to find him now. That would be the best outcome.
What makes you believe he was ever on the mountain?
It's ONE MILLION to silence him!!!