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Psychologist on Dorner: Basking in the Attention, His Rage Wars with Guilt

Kennedy High classmates of manhunt subject recall football player who confronted coach, was forced to transfer schools.

LAKE FOREST, CA -- Former classmates of Christopher Jordan Dorner recall an act of rebellion at Kennedy High School that gave insights into a personality now considered lethal.

On Facebook, one former classmate asked in amazement: “Is that the guy who flipped off Coach … during the game?”

Several classmates replied: “Yes.”

Friday, a clinical psychologist at George Washington University Medical Center in Washington, D.C., confirmed the anger his classmates saw more than a decade ago.

“You see a very fine line between homicide and suicide here—narcissism and depression are highly correlated,” said Dr. Alan J. Lipman, the psychologist, and founder of the Center for the Study of Violence.

“You usually see them together. ...It wouldn’t surprise me if he kills himself.

“The other possibility is that he puts himself in a situation where he can be seen and caught—not because he wants to be stopped but because he wants to be seen and to confront his accusers.”                                                  

The ex-Navy, ex-LAPD officer wanted for the slayings of three people and an all-out assault on Southern California law enforcement is probably an extremely thin-skinned, narcissistic depressive as likely to kill himself as he is to be caught, said Lipman.

Dorner’s 11-page manifesto is a fairly coherent text that spells out his extreme rage and delusions of grandeur.

“In the manifesto, the terms that are repeated over and over again indicate that he is completely enraged and enraged at what he regards as the injustice of his firing and, most importantly as he sees it, how it has destroyed his name. And that is intolerable to him,” Lipman said.

“He describes himself as having been depressed for a number of years and sees himself as destroyed and unlikely to live through this episode. This is a person hopeless about life, hopeless and envisioning vengeance and going out in a blaze of glory.

“We have seen this before in cases such as Columbine.”

Someone with this degree of narcissism has likely always been highly sensitive to perceived slights as reflected in his manifesto, which alludes to ‘injustices’ going back to his childhood, Lipman said in a phone interview.

Dorner spent his childhood in La Palma, where he attended Walker Junior High and John F. Kennedy High School.

When contacted, several former classmates asked that their names not be published for fear of retaliation from Dorner.

Dorner was a football player on Kennedy’s Fighting Irish varsity team.

One classmate recalled Dorner’s tense relationship with the then-coach that ended with his removal from the team. Classmates say he had a reputation for being confrontational.

Most reacted with shock when they discovered their connection to the suspect.

According to his manifesto, Dorner’s life unraveled when he was fired from the LAPD in 2008 for making false statements against another officer.

According to Dorner, the proceedings that led to his 2008 firing from the police force were rigged against him.

He goes into detail about how his complaint against a fellow officer—now a sergeant—alleging brutality against a detainee resulted in his being the target of retaliation by superiors.

“I’ve lost a relationship with my mother and sister because of the LAPD,” he wrote. “I’ve lost a relationship with close friends because of the LAPD.

“In essence, I’ve lost everything because the LAPD took my name and knew I was innocent. ... The attacks will stop when the [Los Angeles Police] Department states the truth about my innocence.”

This idea that he could clear his name by going on a killing spree illustrates just how delusional Dorner has become, Lipman said.

“You can see he has delusions of grandeur. He envisions that he is going to change the entire course of justice and the moral code of the LAPD,” Lipman said.

If Dorner is still alive, his mind is likely a battlefield in which rage, guilt and attraction to media attention war with one another, Lipman said.

Arthur Spooner February 10, 2013 at 08:30 PM
I hope when I go to Staters today he is shopping, I could use the 100k reward!
Arthur Spooner February 10, 2013 at 09:00 PM
Its like when Richard Ramirez was on the loose. This time instead of the society being afraid, its the cops. Interesting twist.
Arthur Spooner February 10, 2013 at 09:01 PM
Sancho its that darn chip on the shoulder that takes them down every time.
OBAMABUBBLEBOY February 10, 2013 at 09:43 PM
No it is lunatics like Jeff Kleiner that act like they can preach on blogs while being fake in real life along with being a con artist that rips people off.
JustUs February 10, 2013 at 09:45 PM
Shane, you don't get it, do you? I don't despise any certain group of people. I just despise deceit, corruption and injustice. And when I see it.....regardless of which group practices it......I'll go after them. That's what I do. I know you don't like it. But that's tough. It matters not to me what you like or dislike. I will continue to shout the truth and if it causes you some pain, then perhaps you need to do a little introspection and ask yourself why? And if you want to call me names, fine, I have no problem with that. That is your right. I served America to defend your right. So sound off, partner. It's called 'freedom' and I promote it!!! I approve this message.
JustUs February 10, 2013 at 09:51 PM
"You suggest that upon seeing police brutality he should just look the other way. That makes the cop who hit a criminal and the cop who witnessed the crime a criminal for failure to report a crime." Jerome, are you talking to me, JustUs? You posted your reply to me so I must assume that you are. If you are you need some training in reading comprehension. I suggest you go back and read my comment again. If you still don't understand it let me know I will try to dumb it down. Deal?
OBAMABUBBLEBOY February 10, 2013 at 09:53 PM
Just us Shane jeff kleiner can't get it. He is a pathological liar and insane. He is a fraud and he knows it.
JustUs February 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM
"honestly, you seem a bit paranoid and perhaps might have some issues getting along with others in the workplace." hah. Thanks for your amateur psychatric eval there, Sigmund. Was it free or should I send you a donut in the mail? heh. And you really oughta look into expatriating to North Korea. I bet you'd be a nice fit. The new pre-pubescent dictator over there needs more people over who think like you do. People who follow brainless orders on command! Like Pavlov's dog! heh. I bet you would be a quick riser in their heirarchy and get to eat the best Kimchi in the land. heh. It was fun, DesertBoy. Have a good day!
JustUs February 10, 2013 at 11:05 PM
" A team player or an independent who doesn't think about anyone but himself? I say team players win!" Enea, DesertBoy's idea of a 'teamplayer' is someone inside an organization who sees injustice or even criminal activity and turns a blind eye to it. That's how I interpreted it. Those who think like that are really no better than the Germans who smelled burning flesh in the air eminating from a nearby camp and kept their mouths shut. We here in America are supposed to be better than that.
enea ostrich February 11, 2013 at 12:18 AM
A team player is one who has his team mates back when it is essentially needed. Your musings here are meant to justify your thoughts of what u think. As Americans, we all have that right. You just keep goin' and goin'...and goin'...glorified in readin' your own words.
Brenda February 11, 2013 at 12:40 AM
JustUs, I would appreciate posts dummbered down a large amount for this ole 53 yr old lady please. Thank you. :P~~~
Bobby Dias February 11, 2013 at 12:45 AM
Brenda: You said:"There is no way this man could have gotten through the military for so long undetected." As long as people said good things about him Dorner smiled and was happy- it was when LAPD personnel did not act like he had been taught that he started having confrontations and then started lying to cover his rear(nobody else would back him because he verbally attacked them as a whole and individually). Point that I considered immaterial and possibily prejudicial so I have previously left out of this discussion; Summer 2011 I was going to a Starbucks ready to open the door when Dorner came out and said to me: "Get out of my way whitey". He was fine until I was slowing him down a little- that is when he changed. Similar reaction from him when he started having confrontations with other officers- they were wrong and he was right.
Brenda February 11, 2013 at 12:45 AM
Enea, My thoughts exactly as I said in an earlier post. JustUs made fun of my post but its true. IF you have someone who is just built to go against the grain in a large group it is nothing but drama and high school stuff, and then insubordination. Sure you take each of their complaints, or whines to notice, and it goes up the proper ladders but eventually after doing so for so long thats it, bottom line, he is just someone who will not fit in, and not be able to do the proper job because of his mind being only on HIS issues instead of the task at hand, policing.
Bobby Dias February 11, 2013 at 12:49 AM
To enea ostrich: Dorner never had his team backing him because he was attacking their front. Dorner always trying to prove himself right and the other officers wrong never makes a team.
Brenda February 11, 2013 at 12:58 AM
Bobby, Pretty much what the "shrinks" are saying in news now about him. That would be seeing himself narcissitic and grandiose, which reflects in every single thing Dorner has written thus far, or said at one time. You of course have first hand experience of him which gives a better light to what is really in his head about his own ego and arrogant self. So many in the military and the police departments but not all of them go overboard like this. That is why I wonder how in the world no one, not one supervisor within the Navy or the LAPD picked up on it. Or possibly when they did and approached him he could wind a good story and like you said they were wrong, he was right. Thanks for responding Bobby, I appreciate it and to get a first hand opinion on this guy.
Brenda February 11, 2013 at 01:17 AM
Otherwise it was all about HIM. He was not a team player, argued a point just to argue it. One of those people who if you told him the sky was blue he would fight forever telling you it was black. Or told to do something this way, he would refuse and do it the way he wanted even if it was "fail", and still fight he was right. Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder could be put to him, but now its real simple, Cold Blooded Murderer.
Brenda February 11, 2013 at 01:20 AM
Right Bobby and the team cannot move ahead less they are all mature enough to discuss and then execute in a cohesive manner. If an idea one person has doesnt fit with the rest its just simply a bad idea at that time. If you cant work as a team you are not good to the military or a police department. Actually any job where you work with others.
JustUs February 11, 2013 at 01:28 AM
"Dorner never had his team backing him because he was attacking their front. Dorner always trying to prove himself right and the other officers wrong never makes a team." You're in denial too, Bobby. Dorner accused other cops of criminal acts, which may very possibly had been true. In fact, the court ruling said that it could not eliminate the possibility that there were crimes committed by other officers, but that Dorner simply could not meet the burden of proof required to make his case. That is VERY different from saying that Dorner made it all up. You have closed mind and you protect the cops, when there is cause to believe that Dorner was telling the truth and the others were lying. In fact, Chief Beck, LAPD, has reopened to the case to examine it. If he was convinced Dorner was in the wrong he would NEVER reopen the case. Open your mind.
JustUs February 11, 2013 at 01:32 AM
"That is why I wonder how in the world no one, not one supervisor within the Navy or the LAPD picked up on it." Because he wasn't that crazy. He was very functional. And he was probably telling the truth in much of his manifesto. But those in denial would automatically discount what he said. But something pushed him over the edge. Something enraged him. And normally people don't become enraged when they are accountable for for some action. They become enraged when the are telling the truth and the system screws them over for telling the truth to protect someone else. That causes rage. But none of you will acknowledge that because you are in denial. All of you have already closed our minds.
enea ostrich February 11, 2013 at 03:47 AM
The point is that Dorner wasn't just not a team player. His lone thoughts and actions is what separated him from everyone in hus world. If he blames everyone and not his own self, how can we consider him rational and someone we would "want" to back when the going got rough. Fact is, you can't trust someone who has his philosophy in life. It ain't every man for himself in the military world nor in law enforcement. For that matter, if he was on a sports team I still wouldn't trust him cuz he's selfish--nothin' but a selfish coward who wants what he wants and don't care about no one but what he wants. Pig!
desertpatriot February 11, 2013 at 04:25 AM
just@ss wrote: "DesertBoy's idea of a 'teamplayer' is someone inside an organization who sees injustice or even criminal activity and turns a blind eye to it. That's how I interpreted it. Those who think like that are really no better than the Germans who smelled burning flesh in the air eminating from a nearby camp and kept their mouths shut" dude, give it a rest already...that's not how i think. you suffer from delusional paranoia and need help in the worst way. good luck
Brenda February 11, 2013 at 04:40 AM
But JustUs, If they found paperwork in his broken vehicle that was substantial enough for the Chief to "reopen" the case don't you think that Dorner would have submitted way back in 2008 when his case began or sometime during the hearing? Why leave valuable proof of what he was fighting in this hearing, in which he knew his job was in jeopardy, out of it for 5 years? Then leave it readily available to be seen in his car AFTER he has went on this rampage? I mean if I was fighting for my integrity. my job I sure would not leave this valuable proof in my car, it would have been in the hearing the first day. This is with my mind very open.
Brenda February 11, 2013 at 04:45 AM
JustUs, My mind is open and obviously he has anger issues, perhaps all along to the point of rage issues. Someone can also become enraged when all the lies are umcovered and they are found out for what they really are and the facade they created over so many years is broken down. I have seen many a man especially in the last 10 years with the wild economy do just this while loosing everything, continuing to live in the big houses, big cars, perfect wives still shopping Rodeo, yaugts etc. and then the bomb drops. He sees his self in such a grandiose manner that to take any of that away, or for people to find out he is all hot air could have been an enraging moment obviously.
CDC February 11, 2013 at 08:16 AM
"The general attitude I'm hearing is the LAPD is racist, hostile & inflicts unessary force on Citizens " Actually this is now FACT on the last two. Do you read the papers or live in a cave? Let us blow the bong resin out from between your ears. The LAPD shot up a truck with two women bystanders in it minding their own business. Both are wounded and both most likely suing for tens of millions. The Torrance police also did the same to a guy going surfing and he also has a lawyer that is preparing heavy legal action.
CDC February 11, 2013 at 08:34 AM
"because he is a democrat" WTF? Sounds like you are the one with major issues! Who cares WHAT party he is in or likes. He is a killer who is VERY VERY mad and still out there hunting people. I here he voted for Bush and wanted the Republican Jon Huntsman for president. Under your INSANE twisted logic we should let him go because he wanted a republican pres. You gun loving anti government tea baggers must be having a brain hemorrhage right about now. What are we??? Anti Gov or anti black, anti Gov or anti black, anti Gov or anti black? We can guess which side you are taking on this. Gets some help. For starters stop getting spoon fed by Faux news. And role up the rebel flags!
CDC February 11, 2013 at 08:56 AM
You are TOTALLY right. It is now a no win for LAPD. They WILL have to cover up any wrong doings against Dorner if they find any. If they do find he was fired for not "playing ball" with what was going on, they will get sued by many for pushing him over the edge. The chief will probably resign. And they will make Dorner a SUPER martyr.
CDC February 11, 2013 at 09:04 AM
"they find him a couple months from now" You are kidding right? You know how much money they(LAPD,Feds) would spend to find him and protect the marked cops and cop families. The LAPD will never stop looking. They need to find him now. That would be the best outcome.
Joker Joe February 11, 2013 at 07:03 PM
JustUs What makes you believe he was ever on the mountain?
Joker Joe February 11, 2013 at 07:20 PM
Black is beautiful!!!
Joker Joe February 11, 2013 at 07:21 PM
Arthur It's ONE MILLION to silence him!!!

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