Final Presidential Debate: California Political Insiders Say Who Won

State partisans pick the winner of Monday’s presidential debate in Patch’s weekly survey.

Patch surveyed influential California partisans after Monday night’s final presidential debate and, like the candidates themselves, they seemed to agree on very little.

As expected, people mostly sided with their own party's candidate. Among Democrats, 11 of the 13 respondents named President Obama as the clear winner. On the Republican side, although only 4 percent said Mitt Romney overwhelmingly won the debate, 10 of the 18 respondents said he won by a slim margin. Of all the respondents surveyed, the answers were split, with both candidates receiving 14 votes each for the debate win.

The Patch surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population, but are an effort to listen to a range of local Republican and Democratic political insiders, activists, leaders and elected officials in California. All the individuals who took part in the survey agreed to answer questions after each presidential debate.

Other points of interest of the survey:

  • While Romney’s “binders full women” was the buzz quote of the previous debate, Obama’s “horses and bayonets” comment went viral this time. When Romney said the U.S. Navy is "smaller now than at any time since 1916,” Obama countered, saying:

“You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military's changed."

  • Both Democrats and Republicans pointed to that comment as a standout moment. One Democrat wrote that the Democrats will be “energized” following Obama’s comment. But one GOP respondent wrote that Obama’s comment was “ridiculous.”

“CA Conservatives love their military and Obama doesn’t…it’s easy,” the Republican respondent wrote.

  • Other key moments for GOP respondents were Romney’s criticisms of Obama’s “apology tour,” his responses on policies in Russia, Iran and Israel -- and his five-point plan for economic recovery.
  • Democrats said Romney often did not have a clear, distinguishable stance from Obama, with one writing, “Romney agreed with everything Obama was doing.” One Democrat respondent said a key moment was Obama’s comment that Romney’s foreign policy is from the 1980s, his social policy from the 1950s and his economic policy from the 1920s.
  • Both parties agreed the national media would portray Obama as the winner. On the Republican side, 38.9 percent said Obama would be declared the winner by a slim margin, versus 22.8 percent believing Romney would be narrowly declared the winner.
  • Republican respondents were divided on whether Romney’s performance would increase the number of votes he wins in California, with 27.8 percent saying they “strongly agree” it would, but 30.3 percent saying they were neutral on the topic.
  • 69.2 percent of Democrats said they “strongly agree” Obama’s performance in the final debate would positively affect the number of California votes he receives.

Patch will be conducting Red California and Blue California surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of Republicans and Democrats on the ground in California. If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in a weekly surveys that lasts just a few minutes, please email Sandra Oshiro.

Marg October 27, 2012 at 07:37 AM
You guys have gotten awfully boring, Naptime.
Marg October 27, 2012 at 07:38 AM
I see you're reposting the same stuff. Afraid no one is reading your posts?
Marg October 27, 2012 at 07:40 AM
Popeye, your obsession with racism is sick. Black people love Romney, too. Like me. I'm not white. Just because someone things Obama is the devil incarnate does not make them a racist. That's a BS excuse and it's sooooo yesterday. You need to get a grip on reality and grow the h*ll up.
Marg October 27, 2012 at 07:44 AM
Clearly, the libtards don't care the team in Libya was denied assistance. Oh yea, he showed his drivers license to vote but it's evil to ask for an ID? Some young ho is on a commercial comparing voting to Obama to her first lay. Sickening. Seriously, the democratic party has always been low but this is the lowest season of all.
met00 October 27, 2012 at 07:50 AM
No, that starting with Reagan and through two Buses and now with Ryan-Romney there has been an ongoing class warfare. That the goal of all these administrations is the same. To transfer all the wealth to the Plutocracy. And they have done a very good job of it. If corporate taxes are at historic lows, then why does Ryan-Romney want to lower them even more? Weren't corporations successful prior to the massive giveaway? Has the massive giveaway created more jobs? If Ryan-Romney are able to get into office and make their promised changes to the tax codes, the fourth chart will have the blue line going higher and the red line dropping close to zero. Chart eight shows the reality that the treasury was raped by Bush, yet Ryan-Romney want to do what Bush did, but do it two times the size. The tenth chart shows the hard facts of supply-side economic policies that transfer wealth to a limited few. While they have far more discretionary income they pay far less than those that do NOT have discretionary income. Under Ryan-Romney, using Romney as an example, his 2011 tax form, under his proposed changes would actually drop to close to 0% taxes. Ryan-Romney is more of the same as Reagan and Bush, and it's just not right that the working class continues to lose the class war.
Dan Crandell October 27, 2012 at 07:58 AM
The American People are now paying attention. This transfer of power will not be easy for BHO.
Frieda Wales October 27, 2012 at 01:05 PM
LashLR, you read that wrong. Jeep is considering making and selling Jeeps in China for the Chinese. They are not planning on moving American production there. Nice try.
SteveB October 27, 2012 at 04:20 PM
Please, people, getting your facts from emails people send you is absolutely the worst place to get info - people who send these emails have an agenda, whether it is selling little blue pills or trying to influence voters. like most of these emails, there is a kernel of truth that gets twisted. here's the scoop: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/25/chain-email/3-8-percent-tax-real-estate-transactions-health-ca/
Robert Defulgentiis October 27, 2012 at 06:08 PM
Marty - "collapse the economy" The incredible irony in all this is WHO actually and WHAT actually collapsed the economy in 2008: unregulated, free-market capitalism (which is no longer your grandfather's unregulated capitalism) that placed too much power in the hands of a few unelected profit-seekers who have NO ALLEGIANCE to anything but profits-making. That GM guy who said "what's good for GM is good for America" (the rough quote) - is that still true in our global economy? No it isn't, but Republicans act like nothing has changed and being "conservatives" are VERY UNWILLING to consider change. They will go down - as they are with backing Romney - with a sinking ship of ideas.
not Carl Peterson lll October 27, 2012 at 09:20 PM
Robert delfulg How does this work? Tell me if I am missing something here. I see that you are a journalist, and among other things you also write articles for Patch. Patch is part of AOL, and the huffington post. As a journalist you then tap in to the comment section. and your politially biased views can be as tit for tat, snibbling as the rest of us. OK ....so.....Are "jounalists" for AOL,huffington post, Patch real journalists, or commentators. One would think that with the Huffpost history and bias, they would at least pretend unbiased news reporting. This is an honest question that i ask.
Robert Defulgentiis October 27, 2012 at 09:46 PM
Dan - "The united nations has given notice that they will be watching our voting procedures very closely." I understand the knee-jerk anger at the idea of international observers monitoring U.S. elections - unthinkable to some. Rather than become so offended, ask yourself why certain developments in U.S. elections (Supreme Court intercessions, voter suppression, late changes in rules/venues) have occurred, which objective, international protectors of democratic voting consider worrisome - I consider it VERY worrisome. "The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe a group that has observed U.S. elections since 2002, is sending dozens of monitors from around the world to monitor the presidential and congressional elections in the United States this November....................set to "assess these elections for compliance with international obligations and standards for democratic elections, including the commitments agreed to by all the OSCE participating States..will analyze the legislative framework and its implementation and will follow campaign activities, the work of the election administration and relevant government bodies, including voter registration, and the resolution of election disputes...the ODIHR mission will conduct comprehensive monitoring of the media," Relax. We are part of the world and not exempt from examination. If you as a nation are secure, this doesn't bother you. Hubris + insecurity = anger about this.
not Carl Peterson lll October 27, 2012 at 10:38 PM
robert defulg.. AKA huffpohack. I believe on the issue of regulations, more of an impact would of bean, as in now, to actually inforce the regulations that are existing. Now since you alway go partison.... How many people has Obama put in jail for the economic probs? Who did wall steet donate more to in 2008.....Obama Who was the job czar to obama that also got a government grant to build electric cars then......This JOB czar to obama, who got money from Obama, to build electric cars then shipped the jobs.......OVERSEAS!!!!! Yeah you go O ...oh....oh..I just got that thrill up my leg.
not Carl Peterson lll October 27, 2012 at 10:40 PM
The question at 2;20 P.M. still stands
not Carl Peterson lll October 27, 2012 at 10:56 PM
Robert delf Yeah I know the spelling of my 3: 38 pm iz knotsoe gud..inna huree.. lol
not Carl Peterson lll October 28, 2012 at 04:51 AM
And still.......Its what they won't tell you........
SteveB October 28, 2012 at 05:34 AM
Geo, I am fine. Interesting that no one thought it worthy of addressing why Romney's dad thought it was a good idea to release 12 years of tax returns, and yet Romney does not. As to you questions, I am not sure what you are getting at. What connection does O have to the muslim world, besides a father who abandoned him? In terms of fighting terror, maybe you'd like to hear what Bush's former CIA chief, Michael Hayden said: "We are at war, targeted killings have continued, in fact, if you look at the statistics, targeted killings have increased under Obama.” http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/09/bush-obama-war-on-terror/ It's an interesting all around read. I don't see any "conflict. Quite the opposite.
On the right side October 28, 2012 at 05:40 AM
Marty, you are right on!!! Liberals must close their eyes and hold their noses when they vote. Can't be any thinking going on.
not Carl Peterson lll October 28, 2012 at 05:44 AM
SOROS ALERT....SOROS ALERT!!! BEEP BEEP WA, WA, WA, WA BOOOOP, BOOOP DANGER ROB WILLIAMS, DANGER !!!! METOO....Honestly I am impressed by your wide knowledge. But come on!!! Three minutes into this last link, above, I find it is mostly funded by "spooky dude", and is in the top ten list of bias....stuff.
Marg October 28, 2012 at 06:47 AM
met00 October 28, 2012 at 08:36 AM
Gee Marty, I would really like to be able to point you to right-wing web sites that have analyzed the same data and produced charts (please note that every chart lists where the data used was gathered from), but it seems that none of the Walton's, Koch's and other current billionaires are funding non-partisan research. Neither are the Olin Foundation, The Bradley Foundation et al. It seems that there is NO ONE on the right side that wants to discuss or even investigate the ongoing transfer of wealth from the working class to the plutocracy. Possibly because they are the ones who are getting it all? Maybe. For instance, Chart five came from the OMB; Chart four the IRS; Chart seven, the CBO data. Match Chart seven to the chart at http://www.cbo.gov/publication/42537 - SAME FREAKING CHART. Did Soros pay the CBO to create it? I think not. Marty, you should be better than knee-jerk reactions. If you were quoting the AEI I wouldn't immediately discount it, but validate it before I pointed out that it was wrong, and provide links to why. CBPP has been around a while and their data and research is generally above par. Heck, how could you argue with a group that had Sol Price (FedCo and The Price Club) on the Board? If you were to use the Tax Foundation as a source, I would be able to say... "Paul Krugman has characterised the Tax Foundation as "not a reliable source"... ." and if you found an economist who said the same about CBPP, ok. But Soros? Really?
Robert Defulgentiis October 28, 2012 at 08:25 PM
Marty -".This JOB czar to obama, who got money from Obama, to build electric cars then shipped the jobs.......OVERSEAS!!!! A fair reading of Obama's actions vis a vis outsourcing and corporate America can be found here - it's complicated. "Obama's Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, 26 business leaders assembled by the president for job-spurring ideas, includes representatives of several companies that have used outsourcing, fueling job creation abroad and job losses in the U.S. Shipping work to low-cost overseas labor markets has been a trend in American manufacturing for decades................Scott Paul, founding executive director of the Alliance of American Manufacturing, said he’s generally pleased with Obama’s record on preventing outsourcing." A partisan reading of those activities IMO = your statement above. There were 26 corporate leaders invited to offer Obama ideas about job creation. GE/Immelt was among them, but GE has for 10-15 years been turning into a global corporation....wasn't gonna stop overnight. But ALL OF THAT is MUCH different than devoting your LIFE to vulture capitalism.
Robert Defulgentiis October 28, 2012 at 08:44 PM
I don't have enough time to discuss the issue. The idea of reverend Wright being Muslim seems based on one passing reference from one author a few years back. I see nothing to support it, but certainly admit that a generation of black Americans - the Muhammed Alis, Malcolm Xs - found comfort in its message. Wanna get all bent out of shape about it - go for it. The sites discussing the issue are not impressive to me saying stuff like this: "The three points above show a consistent pattern of Wright parroting not only the language and but also the attitude of the Nation of Islam. Wright has synthesized Christianity and an odious brand of Islam." All a distraction. Just like birthers. Just like Benghazi.
not Carl Peterson lll October 28, 2012 at 10:21 PM
Robert delfu, OK I think I understand now...... Job czar sent jobs overseas with our tax money because..they have already been doing it for decades.....But Romney is evil because .....hmmm because...he did it MORE, in your opinion......Alright then!! WoW! I am gonna vote for O now!!!!!! And what else do we have of your points? "Benghazi is just a distraction". A huffington post liberal thinks Benghazi is just a distraction.....
not Carl Peterson lll October 28, 2012 at 10:30 PM
metoo, Well here is the deal as I see it. Soros is part of the machine that is pulling the strings. A lot of the influence behind the scenes are non-partisan in their actions. Soros however has a record of the one world, united nations, agenda 21 crowd, that are attepting to control all human action. Soros, and his crowd need a week US to achieve this. Charts can be factual. Charts can be slectively chosen to skew an opinon. Charts that are put together on a web site paid for by George Soros can be a combination of the two.
met00 October 28, 2012 at 10:46 PM
Marty, Olin, Bradley, Waltons, Koch brothers, they all have an agenda that is the antithesis of one that is beneficial to the working class. They are all part of the plutocracy. Yet If I were to quote from Reason, AEI, or any of the other right wing foundations I'm sure you wouldn't mind at all. I provided proof that the chart was 100% from the CBO, it checks out. It's the same freaking chart, yet you still want to claim that it's all big bad Soros. The problem is that I won't bite at your strawman. I looked at the data, where it came from, and sure enough the charts bear out and show exactly what the data says that they do. Unlike AEI, Reason or the rest of the right wing plutocracy "think tanks" the data checks out, without fine tuned manipulation. As some point you have to believe your own freaking eyes no mater who is telling you the facts. Milton Friedman had some interesting theories on economics. The Chicago school finally had a chance to introduce them into the lab we call the American Economy. They failed. So, 12 years later they had another chance and they doubled down on the strategy saying that they hadn't done enough, and that's why it failed. I can find statements from Bush where he said that his cuts would create jobs by incentive's to the job creators. Eight years later an economic crash, and the jobs that were promised never actually materialized. Now we have two guys that want to double down on that failure. Sorry, it doesn't wash.
met00 October 28, 2012 at 10:59 PM
Wow, "Libya denied assistance" pulls up a large number of Faux links, and links from the GOP and the conservative blogs and "news" sides, but nothing from that silly lamestream media. Go figure. Lena Dunham's ad was sickening? It was a repeat of... wait for it.... a 1980 ad from Ronald Reagan. Yes, it wasn't original, it was a take off on Saint Ronnies 1980 ad. The outrage is funny as hell. Here is today's FAUX quote... RABINOWITZ: Well, what we think of it is, what are we looking at here? We have to acknowledge, the President is a very angry man. That was Dorthy Rabinowitz. She was on Saturdays Journal Editorial Report (she works at the WSJ, Faux's newspaper of record). And what sent her up the Angry Black Man tree? OBAMA: It turns out it's not a five-point plan Governor Romney has got, it's a one-point plan: Folks at the very top get to play by their own rules -- pay lower tax rates than you do, outsource more jobs, let Wall Street run wild. And if this plan sounds familiar, it's because we tried it. […] Now, Governor Romney knows this. He knows his plan isn't any different than the policies that led to the Great Recession. So in the final weeks of his election, he's counting on you forgetting what he stands for. He's hoping that you, too, will come down with a case of what we like to call Romnesia.
met00 October 28, 2012 at 11:06 PM
Marty, I thought you might be an original thinker, but alas, your Soros strawman (rather than discussing the actual facts) and now the Faux News bullcrap are just too damn much. I am more than willing to debate FACTs, and that means that it didn't come from the GOP propaganda machine at Faux. Feel free to quote Reason, AEI or some other right wing think tank, but FAUX is Goebbels on steroids. If you tell enough absolute BS and lies, then maybe something will stick. That's FAUX's motto. Unfortunately every piece of crap they throw or insinuate at ends up being bogus red meat to the nut cases that are looking for ANY reason to hate Obama and the left. "You didn't build that!" sound familiar? In context it was 100% accurate. Yet the GOP built an entire convention around the out-of-context LIE as propagated by Faux and its various tentacles. There is a reason why in independent study after study it shows that people that don't get their news from any news source have a better understanding of the world around them than people that get their information from Faux. Faux not only doesn't give you the news, they actually tell you lies. That makes the Faux viewer actually less informed.
not Carl Peterson lll October 28, 2012 at 11:42 PM
Metoo I don't remember quoting fox news here. But I could if you really want that discussion. Let me clarify. People pulling the strings behind the scenes are not always acting in a partisan way. Soros has a game plan for the world. We can debate which side has more bad people with money......But it doesn't really matter, and it is on both sides. Let me pull back from this for a moment with an idea. You have an abundance of information, and have ideas. So do I. I think the evidence is clear from my attempt to read everyside. So do you. We both want what is best for everyone. We both can pull evidence to secure our positon, as we slam the other as bias. Marty: (sic) "how can you quote a soro's funded"..... Met00: (sic) "faux news is all crap" We are all over the map. Every issue has the same formula for failure of thought change. Perhaps a single issue, rather than the whole world might not be like a hurricane in NewYork.
tiny October 29, 2012 at 01:56 AM
Here's Obuma relating how the first bailout was as popular as a root canal, but was necessary: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx8bo8GdPcQ But now the Fed, under Oboma, has launched QE3, which is 40B/month indefinitely, of the Fed buying Mortgage Backed Securities from "banks" at 100% of face value, when they wouldn't sell anywhere near that otherwise. So it is a continuation of the bailout to infinity. Any Oboma drones want to explain?
Peter Hornby October 30, 2012 at 04:43 PM


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